Monday, August 29, 2011

Swamy prevented Sonia from becoming the PM of India?

Dr. Swamy never stops flattering himself that he prevailed over former President APJ Abdul Kalam and thereby prevented Sonia from becoming the PM of India. He claims to have descended just in the right time to educate kalam on some provision in Indian Citizenship Act.

Last time I heard, constitutional pundits were still searching for such invisible reciprocity provision in Sec 5 of Citizenship,1955 ( along with all subsequent amendments) http://mha.nic.in/pdfs/ic_act55.pdf

But we were never talking about status of Sonia's Citizenship by Registration or Naturalization but eligibility of a such a citizen to occupy the post of PM.Even if someone finds such reciprocity clause between the lines in the law, Swamy's storyline will stick only if one can prove that Italy too has such a provision.

All this is immaterial. Press Records of Rashtrapati Bhavan prove that the then president APJ Abdul Kalam never raised the issue of Citizenship with Sonia.

"CITIZENSHIP ISSUE NOT DISCUSSED WITH SMT. SONIA GANDHI

19-05-2004 : Rashtrapati Bhavan, New Delhi

PRESS RELEASE

It has been reported in a section of the press that the President Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam had discussed the citizenship issue with Smt. Sonia Gandhi when she met him yesterday at Rashtrapati Bhavan. This is contrary to facts. It did not figure in the discussions at all."

Press releases dating back to 2004 are unavailable on presidentofIndia's website. They were removed after 2007 Presidential elections.But one can always get a hard copy from President's Secretariat).Press information Bureau's link : http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=1730 is as credible as original source.

After demitting office, APJ Abdul Kalam himself made it clear in an interview.
P M Nair, then secretary to the President in his book “The Kalam Effect: My years with the President” further confirms it

One wonders, how Swamy went around telling the same cock and bull story.


6 comments:

  1. What does 5(e) of Citizenship Act mean to you?

    5(e) persons of full age and capacity who are citizens of a country specified in Schedule I:
    PROVIDED that in prescribing the conditions and restrictions subject to which persons of any such country may be registered as citizens of India under this clause, the Central Government shall have due regard to THE CONDITIONS SUBJECT TO WHICH CITIZENS OF INDIA MAY, BY LAW OF PRACTICE OF THAT COUNTRY, BECOME CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY BY REGISTRATION.

    Pls also check: http://www.asuryaprakash.com/soniaunderscrutiny.html

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  2. Why should I listen to Swamy or asuryaPrakash?

    5(e) of Citizenship Act "persons of full age and capacity who are citizens of a country specified in the First Schedule: Provided that in prescribing the conditions and restrictions subject to which persons of any such country MAY BE REGISTERED AS CITIZENS OF INDIA under this clause, the Central Government shall have due regard to the conditions subject to which citizens of India may, by law or practice of that country, BECOME CITIZENS of that country by registration. Explanation.- For the purposes of this sub- section, a person shall be deemed to be of Indian origin if he, or either of his parents, was born in undivided India.

    It effectively deals with acquiring Cititzenship of India through Registration. But Sonia Gandhi's citizenship is not under question ( Sonia's citizenship in perfect order, says Advani http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/may/24sonia2.htm ) and courts have thrashed petitions questioning her citizenship.

    One, you are reading between lines. Two, you have nothing to prove that Italian Citizenship Act has some clause to support your argument. Three, it was never an issue of discussion in May 2004 as made out by RSS and Swamy.

    Also read this: http://www.hindu.com/fline/fl1612/16120270.htm

    It can be conslusively concluded that Swamy's was a Cock and Bull Story

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  3. Why are you copy pasting the act instead of explaining what it means? I'm not reading between the lines, you're distorting straightforward meaning. What I've shown in upper case means reciprocity clause. Its very much under Q. Similarly, why should I believe paid media on rediff or Hindu editorial or Advani?

    I've concluded what I have, time will show who's right. If its a cock and bull story, why don't Congress people sue Dr.Swamy? He'll be very happy if they did so.

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  4. "Why are you copy pasting the act instead of explaining what it means? I'm not reading between the lines, you're distorting straightforward meaning.What I've shown in upper case means reciprocity clause."

    I think I pasted the same thing which you were referring to. Reciprocity clause regarding what? Who interpreted it?That section of Act lists out who all can acquire Citizenship by Registraton process. Even if one accepts Swamy's story, where is the proof that Italy has such a law?

    "Its very much under Q."

    May be in chatrooms and online forums. In real world, Rashtrapati Bhavan never considered that Q

    " Similarly, why should I believe paid media on rediff or Hindu editorial or Advani?"

    Don't believe it. Leave it to others if they want to make use of their own sense of judgement. No one needs cock and bull video tutorials from Swamy

    "I've concluded what I have, time will show who's right"

    Why can't swamy start an open debate to settle the issue?One can invite legal luminaries to give their opinions

    "If its a cock and bull story, why don't Congress people sue Dr.Swamy? He'll be very happy if they did so."

    Swamy may love to swim in defamation suit gutter but to invite it upon himself he should convene a press conference and speak to the mainstream media directly. Nothing will happen if he continues to make use of unaccountable webpages and blogs

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  5. Praveen, I can explain you. The act says 5(e) persons of full age and capacity who are citizens of a country specified in Schedule I: Right? now it clearly says country specified in Schedule I, which are the countries member of the common wealth and that Italy is not a part of the same. Ahead, it says PROVIDED that in prescribing the conditions and restrictions subject to which persons of any such country may be registered as citizens of India under this clause, the Central Government shall have due regard to THE CONDITIONS SUBJECT TO WHICH CITIZENS OF INDIA MAY, BY LAW OF PRACTICE OF THAT COUNTRY, BECOME CITIZENS OF THAT COUNTRY BY REGISTRATION.

    Now the countries referred to here are again the countries under schedule I as explained above.

    You can read this for a detailed information:

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/gaurav-pandhi/referring-to-the-citizenship-act-1955-mrs-gandhi-is-a-valid-citizen-of-india-ple/235663383147262?notif_t=note_comment

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  6. KnowyourSwamy,

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